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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:56:10 GMT From: fwh@mpe.mpg.de To: xmmhelp@xmm.vilspa.esa.es CC: fwh@mpe.mpg.de Subject: Observation Log Browser
Full_Name: Frank HAberl Submission from: (NULL) (130.183.72.76) I was searching for XMM observations which cover the following position: RA=00:55:27.7 Dec=-72:10:59 (I knew that it is covered by the observation with Obsid 0084200101 with an offset of 11 arcmin from the pointing direction). The log browser however returns this observation only after using a search radius of 19 arcmin (18 still does not return it). The help says: "Search Radius: in fact a search box centered on RA and Dec. Search radius is in arcminutes." Is there a problem with the search or should one just give the full box size? In the latter case it should be better called diameter.
From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@xmm.vilspa.esa.es> To: fwh@mpe.mpg.de Subject: Re: Observation Log Browser (PR#20893) Date: Fri Feb 3 17:46:32 2006
Dear dr. Haberl, thank you for reporting this bug. I am asking the responsible team to fix it. In fact the Observation Log Browser is more commonly used for checking if certain observations were properly performed, or if some exposure was lost. But in order to check if certain target or region has been or will be observed I would recommend the use of the "XMM-Newton Observations Lokator" at: http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sched/obs_lokator/index.php Best regards, Nora ---- Dr. Nora Loiseau XMM-Newton User Support Group
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:33:42 +0100 From: Frank Haberl <fwh@mpe.mpg.de> Subject: Re: Observation Log Browser (PR#20893) To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@xmm.vilspa.esa.es>
Dear Nora, unfortunately the lokator does not give details of the instrumental setup. So to check in which modes the EPICs were (important to decide if the position of interest was really observed) one needs to go anyway to the log browser. So I suggest that the lokator should list more information needed to really be able to locate a source in the EPIC read-out windows. Only then the log browser as second step becomes obsolete. Best regards Frank On Friday 03 February 2006 18:46, you wrote: > Dear dr. Haberl, > > thank you for reporting this bug. I am asking the responsible > team to fix it. > In fact the Observation Log Browser is more commonly used for > checking if certain observations were properly performed, or if > some exposure was lost. But in order to check if certain target or > region has been or will be observed I would recommend the use of the > "XMM-Newton Observations Lokator" at: > http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sched/obs_lokator/index.php > > Best regards, > > Nora > > ---- > Dr. Nora Loiseau > XMM-Newton User Support Group > >
From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@xmm.vilspa.esa.es> To: fwh@mpe.mpg.de Subject: Re: Observation Log Browser (PR#20893) Date: Tue Feb 7 13:35:03 2006
Dear Dr. Haberl, Thank you for your comments, we will try to improve this situation. In fact the idea was that the people will search the object or region with the Lokator, and then by clicking on the ObsID one is connected to the Observation Log Browser, but maybe this is not obvious... Thanks, Nora > > unfortunately the lokator does not give details of the instrumental setup. > So to check in which modes the EPICs were (important to decide if the position > of interest was really observed) one needs to go anyway to the log browser. > So I suggest that the lokator should list more information needed to really > be able to locate a source in the EPIC read-out windows. > Only then the log browser as second step becomes obsolete. > > Best regards > Frank > >---- Dr. Nora Loiseau XMM-Newton User Support Group
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:01:44 +0100 From: Frank Haberl <fwh@mpe.mpg.de> Subject: Re: Observation Log Browser (PR#20893) To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@xmm.vilspa.esa.es>
Dear Nora, On Tuesday 07 February 2006 14:35, you wrote: > Dear Dr. Haberl, > > Thank you for your comments, we will try to improve this > situation. In fact the idea was that the people will search the object > or region with the Lokator, and then by clicking on the ObsID > one is connected to the Observation Log Browser, but maybe this > is not obvious... this feature was indeed unknown to me. Thank you Frank > > Thanks, > > Nora > > > > > unfortunately the lokator does not give details of the instrumental setup. > > So to check in which modes the EPICs were (important to decide if the position > > > of interest was really observed) one needs to go anyway to the log browser. > > So I suggest that the lokator should list more information needed to really > > be able to locate a source in the EPIC read-out windows. > > Only then the log browser as second step becomes obsolete. > > > > Best regards > > Frank > > > >---- > Dr. Nora Loiseau > XMM-Newton User Support Group > >
From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@xmm.vilspa.esa.es> To: fwh@mpe.mpg.de Subject: Re: Observation Log Browser (PR#20893) Date: Wed Feb 8 16:29:20 2006
Dear Dr. Haberl, >> >> Thank you for your comments, we will try to improve this >> situation. In fact the idea was that the people will search the object >> or region with the Lokator, and then by clicking on the ObsID >> one is connected to the Observation Log Browser, but maybe this >> is not obvious... > > this feature was indeed unknown to me. we just changed the legend for the table one gets from the Observations lokator. I hope now it is more clear. Thank you for your remarks, Nora ---- Dr. Nora Loiseau XMM-Newton User Support Group