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From: jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk
Subject: esprep_mosaic_time and esas-mosaic
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:15:47 GMT
From: jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk
To: xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int
CC: jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk
Subject: esprep_mosaic_time and  esas-mosaic
Full_Name: Kwok Lung FAN
Submission from: (NULL) (193.147.152.102)


In change log http://xmm-tools.cosmos.esa.int/external/sas/current/doc/swcx/ChangeLog,
it mention that Version 0.9.38 - 2016-10-18 (BP) remove esas-mosaic,
esprep_mosaic, esprep_mosaic_time perl. May I ask how should I extract the time
intervals for the individual pointings and correct the header information of the
subpointings now with the new version of sas? I am trying to reproduce the
result in https://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/xmm/esas/esasmosaicmode/esasmosaicmode_thread.shtml.

Thank you!

Best regards
Kwok Lung FAN


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From: Rosario Gonzalez Riestra <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk
Subject: Re: esprep_mosaic_time and  esas-mosaic (PR#83958)
Date: Mon Sep 17 08:44:54 2018
Dear Kwok Lung FAN,

The tasks you mention have been removed from the esas packacge as of SAS version
16.0 (current version is 17.0).

The thread 

https://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/xmm/esas/esasmosaicmode/esasmosaicmode_thread.shtml

has not been updated recently, so it includes calls to these obsolete tasks.


I suggest you to have a look to the esas-related threads available at the XMM
SOC
website

https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-threads

https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-thread-esasimage
and
https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-thread-esasmosaic

that have been checked to work with SASv17.

Regards

Rosario Gonzalez-Riestra
XMM-SOC User Support Group



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From: "FAN, Kwok Lung" <jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:56:08 +0800
Subject: Re: esprep_mosaic_time and esas-mosaic (PR#83958)
To: Rosario Gonzalez Riestra <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
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Dear Rosario Gonzalez-Riestra

Thank you for your reply. I understand that those two functions were
removed but what I want to ask is how to do the same analysis with
SASv17.0. My confusion is that emosaic_prep still existed but I thought
those three functions work sequentially and depend on each other. If the
two functions were removed, is there still a way to do the analysis? I took
a look on https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-threads before but
I can't find any information related to mosaic mode observation. Sorry to
bother you again."

Best regards
Kwok Lung FAN


On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Rosario Gonzalez Riestra <
xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int> wrote:

>
> Dear Kwok Lung FAN,
>
> The tasks you mention have been removed from the esas packacge as of SAS
> version
> 16.0 (current version is 17.0).
>
> The thread
>
> https://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/xmm/esas/esasmosaicmode/
> esasmosaicmode_thread.shtml
>
> has not been updated recently, so it includes calls to these obsolete
> tasks.
>
>
> I suggest you to have a look to the esas-related threads available at the
> XMM
> SOC
> website
>
> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-threads
>
> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-thread-esasimage
> and
> https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-thread-esasmosaic
>
> that have been checked to work with SASv17.
>
> Regards
>
> Rosario Gonzalez-Riestra
> XMM-SOC User Support Group
>
>
>
> This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may
> contain proprietary information and/or
> protected content. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, retention or
> dissemination is prohibited. If you have received
> this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. ESA applies
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dear Rosario
Gonzalez-Riestra</div><=
div><br></div><div>Thank you for your reply. I understand
that those two fu=
nctions were removed but what I want to ask is how to do the same analysis =
with SASv17.0. My confusion is that emosaic_prep still existed but I though=
t those three functions work sequentially and depend on each other. If the =
two functions were removed, is there still a way to do the analysis? I took=
 a look on <a href=3D"https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-threads=
">https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-threads</a> before but
I ca=
n&#39;t find any information related to mosaic mode observation. Sorry to b=
other you again.&quot;<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best
regards</div><div>=
Kwok Lung FAN</div><div><br></div></div></div><div
class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Rosario
Gonza=
lez Riestra <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int"=
 target=3D"_blank">xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Dear Kwok Lung FAN,<br>
<br>
The tasks you mention have been removed from the esas packacge as of SAS ve=
rsion<br>
16.0 (current version is 17.0).<br>
<br>
The thread <br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/xmm/esas/esasmosaicmode/esasm=
osaicmode_thread.shtml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://heasar=
c.gsfc.nasa.gov/<wbr>docs/xmm/esas/esasmosaicmode/<wbr>esasmosaicmode_threa=
d.shtml</a><br>
<br>
has not been updated recently, so it includes calls to these obsolete tasks=
.<br>
<br>
<br>
I suggest you to have a look to the esas-related threads available at the X=
MM<br>
SOC<br>
website<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-threads" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.cosmos.esa.int/<wbr>web/xmm-newton/=
sas-threads</a><br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-thread-esasimage" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.cosmos.esa.int/<wbr>web/xm=
m-newton/sas-thread-<wbr>esasimage</a><br>
and<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/xmm-newton/sas-thread-esasmosaic"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.cosmos.e

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From: Rosario Gonzalez Riestra <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk
Subject: Re: esprep_mosaic_time and  esas-mosaic (PR#83958)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:19:56 2018
Dear Kwok Lung FAN,

The tasks 'esas-mosaic','esprep_mosaic' and 'esprep_mosaic_time' were not
general SAS tasks, but were part of the 'esas' (Extended Source Analysis
Software) package. 

This package is specifically designed to analyse extended extended objects. As I
said, the three taks mentioned above have been removed from 'esas'.


On the other hand, 'emosaic_prep', 'emosaic' and 'emosaic_proc'
are general tasks whose purpose is to produce a single mosaiced image of 
overlapping (or close) pointings.

There is no specific thread for 'emosaic'. Please refer to the specific help
pages of the tasks:

http://xmm-tools.cosmos.esa.int/external/sas/current/doc/emosaic_prep/

http://xmm-tools.cosmos.esa.int/external/sas/current/doc/emosaic/

http://xmm-tools.cosmos.esa.int/external/sas/current/doc/emosaic_proc/


Regards,

Rosario



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From: "FAN, Kwok Lung" <jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:03:34 +0800
Subject: Re: esprep_mosaic_time and esas-mosaic (PR#83958)
To: Rosario Gonzalez Riestra <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
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Dear Rosario

Thank you for your reply again. Just a few last things to ensure.1. As
  'esas-mosaic','esprep_mosaic'
and 'esprep_mosaic_time'  are removed from   'esas' (Extended Source
Analysis Software) package, there are no equivalent tasks available in
esas?  2. Since those function are removed, is that mean with current
version of SAS and ESAS, there are no anyway to do the analysis on
ftp://xmm.esac.esa.int/pub/xmm-esas/xmm-esas.pdf page 39 section 10 MOSAIC
MODE OBSERVATIONS? aka, there are no way to process mosaic-mode
observations with esas? 3. It is possible to downgrade SAS to version 16
for this Fermi bubble?If so, where can I find the installation package of
SASv16?

Sorry for the troubles caused.

Best regards
Kwok Lung Fan

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Rosario Gonzalez Riestra <
xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int> wrote:

>
> Dear Kwok Lung FAN,
>
> The tasks 'esas-mosaic','esprep_mosaic' and 'esprep_mosaic_time' were not
> general SAS tasks, but were part of the 'esas' (Extended Source Analysis
> Software) package.
>
> This package is specifically designed to analyse extended extended
> objects. As I
> said, the three taks mentioned above have been removed from 'esas'.
>
>
> On the other hand, 'emosaic_prep', 'emosaic' and 'emosaic_proc'
> are general tasks whose purpose is to produce a single mosaiced image of
> overlapping (or close) pointings.
>
> There is no specific thread for 'emosaic'. Please refer to the specific
> help
> pages of the tasks:
>
> http://xmm-tools.cosmos.esa.int/external/sas/current/doc/emosaic_prep/
>
> http://xmm-tools.cosmos.esa.int/external/sas/current/doc/emosaic/
>
> http://xmm-tools.cosmos.esa.int/external/sas/current/doc/emosaic_proc/
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rosario
>
>
>
> This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may
> contain proprietary information and/or
> protected content. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, retention or
> dissemination is prohibited. If you have received
> this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. ESA applies
> appropriate organisational measures to protect
> personal data, in case of data privacy queries, please contact the ESA
> Data Protection Officer (dpo@esa.int).
>
>
>

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dir=3D"ltr">Dear=C2=A0<span style=3D=
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al;float:none;display:inline">Rosario</span>

<div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-dec=
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n style=3D"font-size:12.8px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-c=
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t a few last things to ensure.1. As=C2=A0 <span style=3D"background-color:r=
gb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial=
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sprep_mosaic&#39; and &#39;esprep_mosaic_time&#39;<span>=C2=A0
are removed =
from=C2=A0 <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration=
-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><sp=
an>=C2=A0</span>&#39;esas&#39; (Extended Source
Analysis=C2=A0</span><span =
style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;te=
xt-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Software) package, t=
here are no equivalent tasks available in esas?=C2=A0 2. Since those functi=
on are removed, is that mean with current version of SAS and ESAS, there ar=
e no anyway to do the analysis
on=C2=A0</span></span></span></span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.8px"><a
href=3D"ftp://xmm.esac.esa.int/pub/xmm-esas/xmm=
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sec=
tion 10 MOSAIC MODE OBSERVATIONS? aka, there are no way to process mosaic-m=
ode observations with esas? 3. It is possible to downgrade SAS to version 1=
6 for this Fermi bubble?If so, where can I find the installation package of=
 SASv16?=C2=A0</span></div><div><span
style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Sorry for the
troubles caused.=
</span></div><div><span
style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Best
regards</span></div><div><span style=3D=
"fon

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From: Rosario Gonzalez Riestra <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk
Subject: Re: esprep_mosaic_time and  esas-mosaic (PR#83958)
Date: Mon Sep 17 13:26:43 2018
Dear Kwok Lung Fan,

After having consulted the esas expert, this is his answer:

The esprep_mosaic and esprep_mosaic_time tasks are no longer needed. The only
reason for their existence was to help in the separation of mosaic-mode
observations into individual pointings that could then be processed by ESAS. 

Now, each individual pointing in a mosaic-mode observation is given a separate
ObsID in the XMM Science Archive. 

For this observation, ObsIDs are 0672401331 to  0672401342. 
You can download them individually and perform the the standard ESAS processing
for each of them.


Regards,

Rosario


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From: "FAN, Kwok Lung" <jasonfan97@connect.hku.hk>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:29:38 +0800
Subject: Re: esprep_mosaic_time and esas-mosaic (PR#83958)
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Dear Rosario

Thank you for the clarification!

Best regards
Kwok Lung FAN

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>
> Dear Kwok Lung Fan,
>
> After having consulted the esas expert, this is his answer:
>
> The esprep_mosaic and esprep_mosaic_time tasks are no longer needed. The
> only
> reason for their existence was to help in the separation of mosaic-mode
> observations into individual pointings that could then be processed by
> ESAS.
>
> Now, each individual pointing in a mosaic-mode observation is given a
> separate
> ObsID in the XMM Science Archive.
>
> For this observation, ObsIDs are 0672401331 to  0672401342.
> You can download them individually and perform the the standard ESAS
> processing
> for each of them.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rosario
>
>
> This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may
> contain proprietary information and/or
> protected content. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, retention or
> dissemination is prohibited. If you have received
> this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. ESA applies
> appropriate organisational measures to protect
> personal data, in case of data privacy queries, please contact the ESA
> Data Protection Officer (dpo@esa.int).
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Dear Rosario<div
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>Thank you for the clarification!=C2=A0</div><div
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Best regards</div><div dir=3D"auto">Kwok Lung
FAN</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">=E5=9C=A8
2018=E5=B9=B49=
=E6=9C=8817=E6=97=A5 =E9=80=B1=E4=B8=80 21:26=EF=BC=8CRosario Gonzalez Ries=
tra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int">xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int</a=
>&gt; =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A<br></div><blockquote
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solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
br>
Dear Kwok Lung Fan,<br>
<br>
After having consulted the esas expert, this is his answer:<br>
<br>
The esprep_mosaic and esprep_mosaic_time tasks are no longer needed. The on=
ly<br>
reason for their existence was to help in the separation of
mosaic-mode<br>
observations into individual pointings that could then be processed by ESAS=
. <br>
<br>
Now, each individual pointing in a mosaic-mode observation is given a separ=
ate<br>
ObsID in the XMM Science Archive. <br>
<br>
For this observation, ObsIDs are 0672401331 to=C2=A0 0672401342. <br>
You can download them individually and perform the the standard ESAS proces=
sing<br>
for each of them.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Rosario<br>
<br>
<br>
This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may cont=
ain proprietary information and/or<br>
protected content. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, retention or dissemina=
tion is prohibited. If you have received<br>
this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. ESA applies app=
ropriate organisational measures to protect<br>
personal data, in case of data privacy queries, please contact the ESA Data=
 Protection Officer (<a href=3D"mailto:dpo@esa.int" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">dpo@esa.int</a>).<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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